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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.24 11:34:00 -
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Problem: Since the keyboard shortcut revamp the CTRL key's behaviour has been atrocious. Not even simply unintuitive, it is working it's damnedest against the player. There were several bugs / fixes to it which made me believe it was going to be 'fixed' back to how it was before the shortcut updates but it's evident now that the current functionality is 'intended'.
The old behaviour for the control key was as a modifier for other actions. For example, CTRL + LMB on the overview or a bracket would lock that target. This is how the key is normally used by 99% of software and is how people expect it to behave.
CTRL on its own would freeze up the overview so target selection was easier on a busy grid where the overview could jump about as new targets appear / come into range etc.
This was intuitive and practical in it's behaviour.
The new behaviour is a disaster. Yes, CTRL + LMB still will target a ship you select but now, CTRL on it's own will target whatever bracket or overview target has focus. This is causing problems for a lot of people.
Furthermore there are many other keyboard shortcuts that rely on hitting CTRL and another key. With the current behaviour there's a very good chance you will end up not only activating the shortcut you wanted, but also targetting a stargate, or random ship.
Why is it a problem? Aside from the fact it is frustrating, in a combat, or even in a PVE environment this works against you and can even lead to you getting killed.
Targeting a stargate or non-hostile by mistake is undesirable not only because you are wasting one of your target slots, you could shoot at the wrong thing. Even simply yellow-boxing the wrong hostile ship in a fleet situation can lead to you getting primaried. Yes mistakes happen and you can easily do this yourself accidentally but to have the games keyboard shortcuts working directly against you is simply poor interface design.
This is unacceptable and needs to be reverted.
Furthermore, the alt key as default for 'look at' interferes with anyone that runs several client or even wishes to alt tab to a browser window from time to time. Fortunately this can be disabled simply enough but it is another example of the poor 'improvements' that were made.
In closing I propose the CTRL key is reverted to its former functionality where on it's own it would freeze the overview, and CTRL + left mouse click was needed in order to actually lock a target.
Thank you for reading. ~~~
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.27 18:53:00 -
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Thank you for the support so far people. It's clear this affects people from all walks of life. ~~~
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Spikeflach Why wouldn't a person just open the escape menu, select the shortcut tab, select the combat tab, select the lock target shortcut and click the clear shortcut button?
A person can change it to any other key if the targeting with keyboard is still needed.
Unless the control key still causes problems when it isn't set as a shortcut?
This would stop the random locking of ships when using a CTRL+'whatever' shortcut.
What it wouldn't fix is the usability that existed prior to the keyboard shortcut changes and you just end up with a different key with has exactly the same problems.
1. Cannot freeze overview without risk of locking a random ship 2. Cannot 'function key' + left click to targets ships of your choosing without risk of a random object being locked. ~~~
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Spikeflach It doesn't randomly lock ships, it locks whatever you have selected in the overview if the overview has "focus".
If you haven't clicked in the overview and click out in space or some other window first so the overview isn't "in focus" then you can ctrl+left click stuff in space.
Or are we just talking about just having a shortcut that freezes the overview?
We are talking about both. It is poorly implemented at present.
It might be acceptable for someone in a mission running corp such as yourself but even so there are plenty of mission runners that also find this frustrating. In a PVP situation it is highly unintuitive and liable to get you killed. ~~~
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Spikeflach
Originally by: Mara Rinn
That's a separate issue.
What we are talking about is the misuse of the Ctrl modifier key to become a post-action-command key, where you have to Click then press Ctrl.
Ctrl is a modifier key, and changing its behaviour from what people are used to throughout every other UI on the planet makes EVE that much harder to play and like (and thus, keep playing). CCP will most likely not get the answer "your UI is screwed up" on exit surveys, they'll just hear, "I don't like it."
Ok, so people want the control key to only do what it does by holding the key and clicking targets. The ability to click your targets and press a key to target afterwards is something people don't want.
I can kinda see that. But I feel you go back to the idea where a person can just remove the control key as the shortcut to target.
I mean if you remove the control key as being an entirely separate shortcut button you can use it as a modifier for any other shortcuts you have without the problem of "targeting" whatever you have selected when trying to use another shortcut.
Yet again, all this does is shift the problem over to a different key and does not return the previously useful functionality.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.31 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spikeflach Might I ask if people have a shortcut set for "toggle lock target"? I'm not exactly sure what that shortcut does and haven't tested it.
Thanks for posting.
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Lady Spank
Amarr In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.04 18:47:00 -
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CCP Veritas has addressed a five page thread concerning this issue (Source)
Originally by: CCP Veritas Good news folks, the right guy to fix the problem is back from vacation and we're aiming to have this fixed in a client update on Tuesday.
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Lady Spank
Amarr In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.05 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mulm So terrible.
Please unfix control key.
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP Veritas has addressed a five page thread concerning this issue (Source)
Originally by: CCP Veritas Good news folks, the right guy to fix the problem is back from vacation and we're aiming to have this fixed in a client update on Tuesday.
Just to bring this update to the new page since it's stuck on the bottom of the last one. ~~~
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Lady Spank
Amarr In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valor D'eglise Pachlogs for tomorrow's update shows that this will be history by tomorrow after DT. ...hopefully.
Well... we will see. It doesn't sound like it truly returns previous functionality but the patch note explanation is in the usually obscure CCP syntax.
Fingers crossed though and even a step in the right direction is a start ~~~
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Lady Spank
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.10 12:44:00 -
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Patch changed downstroke behaviour to upstroke.
This is not a fix.
Can we have a real fix on this please.
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